Comments on: What’s wrong with Flickr? http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/ Nothing to do with standards, even less to do with wombats, only vaguely a blog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:37:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Jaxter http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-111844 Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:36:16 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-111844 Flickr has never been keyboard navigable. but i know you can navigate any page on IE but this is really weird i got this several times...flickr should make his own keyboard shortcuts! Flickr has never been keyboard navigable.
but i know you can navigate any page on IE
but this is really weird i got this several times…flickr should make his own keyboard shortcuts!

]]> by: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Blog Archive » Some links for light reading (19/5/06) http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-1067 Sat, 27 May 2006 21:44:23 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-1067 [...] What’s wrong with Flickr [...] […] What’s wrong with Flickr […]

]]> by: Mike http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-1030 Thu, 25 May 2006 23:32:51 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-1030 Read the Gamma bug forum on Flickr for some real headaches. I've got new contacts that are not my contacts. My brother can no longer sign into his account, I can't find the email icon to email my contacts...And accessibility is every bit as important as ramps and handicapped parking places! I hope I never see a Gamma version of anything ever again! And don't get me started about the inconvenience of not being able to export MY photos and MY text... Read the Gamma bug forum on Flickr for some real headaches. I’ve got new contacts that are not my contacts. My brother can no longer sign into his account, I can’t find the email icon to email my contacts…And accessibility is every bit as important as ramps and handicapped parking places!

I hope I never see a Gamma version of anything ever again! And don’t get me started about the inconvenience of not being able to export MY photos and MY text…

]]> by: George http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-854 Fri, 19 May 2006 19:00:44 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-854 Hi! Lloyd - thanks for opening this discussion. You're right about a few missing alt tags here and there. I'll definitely add them as you suggest. We will also look at accessibility of the new menus as soon as we have the chance. Also - not that this is an excuse - but what many people don't realise is that the front-end design & construction team is basically me and Eric Costello, with 2 or 3 other developers helping as needed. So, there's a *lot* of ground for us both to cover. Gamma was a two-fold project from my perspective: 1) Finally taking the opportunity to rationalize how people get around the site *(and what it looks like when you're first starting out - something that many people will miss if they're already members), and 2) Taking an opportunity to clean up (unify, "gestaltify") the site layout generally. I am really pleased with this :) A comment on standards - it's not that we are laissez-faire about it. Simply that with such a small dev team, we have always felt that it was more important the Things Work than that they validate sematically. This attitude is seen as sacreligious by some members of the Internet :) Anyway, now that we've done the first major Gamma release, Eric and I are looking forward to making incremental improvements to what has been a huge project for us, based squarely on what our (much loved) members tell us. Hi!

Lloyd - thanks for opening this discussion. You’re right about a few missing alt tags here and there. I’ll definitely add them as you suggest. We will also look at accessibility of the new menus as soon as we have the chance.

Also - not that this is an excuse - but what many people don’t realise is that the front-end design & construction team is basically me and Eric Costello, with 2 or 3 other developers helping as needed. So, there’s a *lot* of ground for us both to cover.

Gamma was a two-fold project from my perspective: 1) Finally taking the opportunity to rationalize how people get around the site *(and what it looks like when you’re first starting out - something that many people will miss if they’re already members), and 2) Taking an opportunity to clean up (unify, “gestaltify”) the site layout generally. I am really pleased with this :)

A comment on standards - it’s not that we are laissez-faire about it. Simply that with such a small dev team, we have always felt that it was more important the Things Work than that they validate sematically. This attitude is seen as sacreligious by some members of the Internet :)

Anyway, now that we’ve done the first major Gamma release, Eric and I are looking forward to making incremental improvements to what has been a huge project for us, based squarely on what our (much loved) members tell us.

]]> by: Lloydi http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-837 Fri, 19 May 2006 07:39:25 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-837 @Anu 1. No can do - Flickr is the best one that I know. Just check out my photo stream and my sets and ask yourself whether I sound like I don't like Flickr 2. Oh dear. IE better than Firefox. I don't think so. The browser is not the issue - the plain simple fact is that Flickr are guilty of missing out some important accessibility attributes in their coding. The browser it's viewed on is irrelevant. I mean, if you have a porsche or rickety old cart, it really doesn't matter if the road you're driving on had lots of pot-holes; both suffer from it. 3. The JavaScript-blocking issue is something that I can do little about (no, not gonna leave work for that, c'mon!). However, what it points out is that they *DO NOT* have a non-js version of the navigation, and that is an accessibility issue, I'm sorry. <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT-TECHS/#tech-scripts" rel="nofollow">Here's the proof</a> @Anu

1. No can do - Flickr is the best one that I know. Just check out my photo stream and my sets and ask yourself whether I sound like I don’t like Flickr
2. Oh dear. IE better than Firefox. I don’t think so. The browser is not the issue - the plain simple fact is that Flickr are guilty of missing out some important accessibility attributes in their coding. The browser it’s viewed on is irrelevant. I mean, if you have a porsche or rickety old cart, it really doesn’t matter if the road you’re driving on had lots of pot-holes; both suffer from it.
3. The JavaScript-blocking issue is something that I can do little about (no, not gonna leave work for that, c’mon!). However, what it points out is that they *DO NOT* have a non-js version of the navigation, and that is an accessibility issue, I’m sorry. Here’s the proof

]]> by: Tom http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-836 Fri, 19 May 2006 07:12:41 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-836 I totally agree with you, anyway we have to consider that the current version is much more usable. Flickr gamma version is much better than the beta one. I totally agree with you, anyway we have to consider that the current version is much more usable. Flickr gamma version is much better than the beta one.

]]> by: Anu (anban) http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-832 Fri, 19 May 2006 01:37:16 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-832 Mate, there are 3 options: 1. you send me a link to a website that is a better built than Flickr for Photos sharing. 2. I send you a link to better browsers e.g. IE 6 3. You quit your job and look for a workplace which allows Javascript Cheers Mate, there are 3 options:

1. you send me a link to a website that is a better built than Flickr for Photos sharing.
2. I send you a link to better browsers e.g. IE 6
3. You quit your job and look for a workplace which allows Javascript

Cheers

]]> by: Darrel http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-825 Thu, 18 May 2006 18:58:31 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-825 It's like buying a new desk and finding out the drawers don't open. It's a matter of craft. A 'web 2.0' companye owned by Yahoo! has no excuse for such a sloppy implementation. It’s like buying a new desk and finding out the drawers don’t open. It’s a matter of craft. A ‘web 2.0′ companye owned by Yahoo! has no excuse for such a sloppy implementation.

]]> by: Celia http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-824 Thu, 18 May 2006 16:31:09 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-824 Flickr has never been keyboard navigable. There may be more drop down menus than I personally care for, but the new organization makes a lot of things easier to find. Flickr has never been keyboard navigable. There may be more drop down menus than I personally care for, but the new organization makes a lot of things easier to find.

]]> by: Lloydi http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-811 Thu, 18 May 2006 07:49:12 +0000 http://lloydi.com/blog/2006/05/17/whats-wrong-with-flickr/#comment-811 @jordan. I actually knew that those links were on the home page, but that page rarely got seen because I leave myself permanently logged in. As such, I considered the home page to be 'my photos', where I had access to most things I needed. So while I new that those two links were there, on other pages they weren't (just the recent activity was) and on other pages (individual photo pages of mine) they both were, while looking at other people's photos only the recent activity link was available (in the footer). In short, there was a lack of consistency which, thankfully, seems to have been addressed. But that's not what this post is about, to be honest - I'm concentrating on the things that they *should* have got right with this make-over, the small things that make a big difference. And, knowing Flickr, that they will put right before too long. Can my mother get her head around how Flickr works? Not up til now. Maybe these changes will help on that front. @jordan. I actually knew that those links were on the home page, but that page rarely got seen because I leave myself permanently logged in. As such, I considered the home page to be ‘my photos’, where I had access to most things I needed. So while I new that those two links were there, on other pages they weren’t (just the recent activity was) and on other pages (individual photo pages of mine) they both were, while looking at other people’s photos only the recent activity link was available (in the footer). In short, there was a lack of consistency which, thankfully, seems to have been addressed.

But that’s not what this post is about, to be honest - I’m concentrating on the things that they *should* have got right with this make-over, the small things that make a big difference. And, knowing Flickr, that they will put right before too long.

Can my mother get her head around how Flickr works? Not up til now. Maybe these changes will help on that front.

]]>